Hello 2016

Posted by Rob H on March 15, 2016

Wow I didn’t realize how long it had been since my last posting. What’s been happening since then?

Let’s see…Donald Trump (??!!!) is about to win the Republican nomination. That’s pretty crazy to put into print.

What else? Well seeing that my last post was in August 2014, I guess 2015 happened! I only had one shot in 2015, it was on July 20. I was able to stretch my Botox injection almost exactly 1 year (from July 21, 2014 to July 20, 2015). My old voice doctor retired, and I got a new doctor who is an industry expert with many studies & speaking arrangements to his credit. I also still have the same “shot guy” I’ve always had. They do the injection as a 3-person team, with a nurse on hand taking down notes to my file while the anethestist does the injection, guided by my voice doctor to ensure it goes in the right spot.

The funny thing was, my shot lasted so long that my doctor joked “see you in a year” when I was leaving. I hope so.

Ok now for some additional details on my last shot: I was really preparing my co-workers for a breathy, weak voice for 2-4 weeks after the shot. That’s what I have typically experienced, and my shot in July 2014 caused quite a long breathy voice period (close to 4 weeks, much longer than previous shots). So what did I do last time? The exact same thing. I figured I can live with 1 month of breathy voice if I can get 11 more months of useful voice after that.

Funny thing is, this time wasn’t the same (even though I got the exact same dosage). That’s the unknown factor when dealing with these Botox treatments. Some are “duds”, some work beautifully, and some are in between. It’s hard to know from time to time exactly what will happen. So this time, in July 2015, I had NO down time on my voice. Ok maybe a couple days where it was “weaker”, yes, but my voice never bottomed out like it has on every other shot. I have no idea why.

Now, as for the length of time I get out of it: that’s still up in the air. I am now 7 1/2 months out from that last treatment, and my voice is definitely weakening. The same thing happened last time, I kept wondering how long I could stretch it out and I think the last time, I went past where I should have but it was still a usable voice so I “lived with it”. I would estimate I had about a 30-40% voice by the time I had my last shot in July 2015.

Right now, my voice is probably about 65%. It’s definitely weaker but not bad yet. So it’s hard to plan my summer as I don’t know how fast the decline will be & when I need to plan my next shot. I hope it’s in July or later but we will see.

End of August 2014 update (with a BUNCH of audio)

Posted by Rob H on August 30, 2014

What a rollercoaster it’s been since my last post. Mostly downs, unfortunately, but hopefully on the up-swing now.

As I type this, on August 30th, I still do not have a full voice back yet. It’s getting better, but still probably only 50% at this point with NO ability to speak up in a loud environment…I might as well not try in those situations.

So listed below are several voice samples taken over the past month, to show the different phases/sounds of my voice as the Botox started to take effect. This first one is taken on my way to the appointment, before the Botox:

Audio #1 – 7/21/14

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(here’s a link for audio #1 in case the player doesn’t work)

This next one was taken right after the appointment. You will hear me talk about this particular shot being more traumatic than normal. I mean, it always sucks having a needle stuck into your throat. But this time was different. As you’ll hear in the recording, the shot made my voice IMMEDIATELY worse which has not happened before.

Audio #2 – also 7/21/14

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(here’s the link for audio #2 in case the player doesn’t work)

Audio #3 – 7/22/14

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(here is the link for audio #3 in case the player doesn’t work)

My voice still sounds pretty good on audio #3, but it’s about to change real soon…………

Audio #4 – 7/23/14

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(here is the link for audio #4 in case the player doesn’t work)

Audio #5 – 7/26/14

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(here is the link for audio #5 in case the player doesn’t work)

As you can hear in audio #5, I was getting a little bit of a cold. This would morph into a major, voice-crippling cold later. I will go into more detail on that in just a bit.

Here’s audio #6 – 8/1/14

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(here is the link for audio #6 in case the player doesn’t work)

As of this audio recording, my voice was “trying” to come back like normal, about 2-3 weeks after the shot. However, I still had this pesky cold wreaking havoc & not allowing my voice to fully come out. We proceed:

Audio #7 – 8/6/14

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(here is the link for audio #7, in case the player doesn’t work)

As you can hear from the voice sample from audio #7 above, my voice is continuing to TRY to come back as it started to do in the previous recording. However, it’s very erratic and in some ways, more frustrating to have it this way than to have a “weak but consistent” voice. This is because it’s difficult to modulate my tone when speaking to somebody, particularly at work or on the phone. I find that as my voice cracks in & out, the actual volume goes up & down too (which is normal)…and it makes it hard to put together long conversations with somebody.

Audio #8 – 8/14/14

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(here is the link for audio #8, in case the player doesn’t work)

You can probably hear in my voice at the beginning of audio #8, I have become frustrated at this point with the lack of results. At the time of this recording, it had been over 3 weeks since the Botox injection and I really didn’t anticipate it taking this long.

Audio #9 – 8/22/14

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(here is the link for the audio of #9, in case the player doesn’t work)

By this point, it’s been fully 1 month since the Botox injection, and still my voice is not back. It certainly sounds better than the previous recording, but still you can hear at the end my voice goes back out again. In all my previous Botox treatments, my voice was back to full force by a month later so this was very unexpected.

You hear me speculate in the recording about the correlation between the Botox injections and getting a cold. It has happened quite frequently and I don’t know why that is. It’s something I am going to bring up to my doctor and see what he thinks but the last two times I have gotten shots (December 2013 and July 2014), I have gotten bad colds…not just the little colds you get every now & then but full-blown bad colds. And in between shots, I get a bunch of mini-colds. I remember talking about it in a previous post last year sometime, it seems I get more frequent colds but none are bad, just a bunch of minor colds. Well, I guess I jinxed myself.

Audio #10 – 8/30/14

(This one was taken just now, while typing this blog post)!!

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(here is the link for audio#10, in case the player doesn’t work)

That’s all I have for now, but you can see a definite progression, albeit slow…I still have not gotten back to what I would consider a “good voice” and have even begun to wonder if this treatment was a “dud”. Only time will tell.

July 2014 update (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on July 11, 2014

Hello! It’s been awhile since I’ve done an update but yes, I’m still kicking!

I’ve been very busy with work and with a side business I’m working on, so there hasn’t been much free time. My regular job is going well, although I still worry about the long-term viability as it’s still considered a “contract” or “temporary” position. I know the company likes me, in fact out of 8 contractor employees hired I am the last one standing. The real question is whether I can stick around long enough to be able to apply for a position once one opens up so it’s a waiting game.

I like the job because it doesn’t involve a lot of talking, mostly desk work on a computer and it’s perfect for me. It’s low stress, which is another big plus as those of you with SD know. So needless to say, I’m hoping I can stick it out as long as possible.

That said, on the side I have been working on some things to make some income with my own home-based business and bring in income that way. I’m taking a methodical approach, trying to build it up gradually so that hopefully I will be able to replace my regular job’s income. I’m not going to go into details yet because it’s not far enough off the ground to know whether it will be successful or not but I’m very optimistic so far.

As far as my actual voice, I have been in a “fading” pattern for several months. As I type this, I would estimate my voice is under 50%, maybe 40% or even 35% of my normal good voice. I did take a voice sample about a month ago, included below. My voice was probably between 50-60% at that time, and has gone down even more since then.

The headaches which invariably come with the neck strain have returned off & on as well. It’s not always there, but when it comes it usually sticks around for a day or two, then goes away for a few days, then comes back, so it comes & goes.

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(in case that doesn’t work, here’s a link that should open in a new window)

You can hear some of the weakening in my voice but in general it’s still very usable.

The next Botox appointment I made is for July 21. I was really trying to stretch this out farther than last time. In fact, my goal is to get longer & longer out of each Botox. The last injection I had was in December so it took 7 months, just like the one before that. However, it was the lowest dosage yet and these last 2 months, my voice has been below average (but useful still). So this is about as far I can stretch it this time.

I’m pretty sure the injection 2 times ago, I could’ve gotten 8 or maybe 9 months out of that so that will be my goal next time. I am holding this false hope that maybe if I keep stretching it, my voice problems will eventually go away as my voice re-trains itself to be good. Sounds crazy but you never know.

Until next time, I’ll have more updates then.

April 2014 update

Posted by Rob H on April 5, 2014

I just realized I haven’t updated this blog in awhile! I’ve been doing ok, I did start a new job in late February so I’ve been there a little over a month now and I do enjoy the work. Best of all, it’s a job where speaking isn’t absolutely necessary so if my voice does get bad again, it shouldn’t affect my job. The downside is, it’s just a job and not a real advancement in my career. There are possibilities for advancement though, so that’s at least out there as a possibility.

As far as my voice, I have had some less-than-average results so far from this latest round of Botox. I had it done in December so we’re coming up on 4 months, and really my voice never got to what I would consider great…I would say at its best, I’ve been about 70-75% of what used to be my “normal” voice.

A couple factors are influencing this: A lower dosage, and multiple colds.
As I mentioned in a previous blog post, I had a lower dosage of Botox this last time. We are still trying to find the “sweet spot” dosage: the longest benefit period with the lowest side effects.

I will say, the side effects this time have been very minor. I didn’t really have much of the choking on liquids, which is the main side effect…but my voice weakness still was there. In fact, I went on a vacation in mid-January and at the same time, got a fairly severe cold…and for about 4-5 days, I had practically no voice at all. I certainly could not be heard in any sort of loud environment.

The cold, I think, had an effect on the Botox effectiveness. I have previously had this confirmed by my doctors, they theorize that having a cold can limit some of the Botox benefits. In fact, my original November 2013 Botox shot was pushed back to December for this very reason (I had a cold in November).

A couple further observations: I have had a couple “minor” colds over the past couple months, since that major January cold. Every time, my voice weakens but not to the point where I can’t talk or be heard. Every once in awhile, I have to repeat myself but I can still effectively communicate with no problems. Sometimes I can even tell a cold is coming on before I have any real symptoms…just by my voice weakening. Usually I can take some echinacea which works pretty well for me, and head it off before it gets severe.

Another observation is that I have had stretches where my neck muscles are strained. One such stretch was about 2 weeks ago, it lasted about a week and it almost feels like the Botox is leveling down a notch. Instead of gradually wearing off, it’s almost like it goes in stages. I get the muscle strain in my neck, my voice gets a notch weaker (maybe 5-10%)…then levels out again for several more weeks. I have experienced this with previous Botox treatments as well, it’s just that this time I NOTICED it…really I hadn’t given it much thought until now.

I also hadn’t given thought to the actual muscle strain until recently. I have assumed all along that the muscle strain IS the thing that’s causing my voice problems (muscle strain —> tightens the muscles —> strangles the voice). Now, however, I’m wondering if there are two separate things going on. Because the muscle strain is more typical of MTD, I believe. So I’m beginning to wonder if I have both SD and MTD. I’ll talk to my doctor and see what he thinks.

I do need to get clarification on this because I’ve been researching/considering surgery to fix my condition. What I don’t want to happen is to have the surgery, my voice gets fixed, but I still have neck strain. The neck muscle strain in and of itself is something I don’t want to live with for the rest of my life. This muscle strain causes pretty intense headaches and it’s just not pleasant. I would hope a surgery would take care of both the voice problem AND the neck muscle strain. So I’m doing more research on this subject.

That’s all for now, I’ll have voice samples soon but for now, if you heard a recording you would consider my voice pretty normal.

January 22 voice update (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on January 22, 2014

Well, a lot has happened since my last post. My voice was on its way to recovery and right around the January 8 mark, my voice was almost back to normal. I’d say about 70-75% back. I still had no range high or low but my regular tone was pretty decent.

Then, I got some weird virus in my throat around January 9. It started as a little scratchy sore throat, and developed into a little more severe sore throat, then turned into an annoying tickle cough, and finally went away around January 17. The weird thing along this whole timeframe was that it stayed in my throat the whole time. Normally, a cold will move from the nasal area to the throat, then chest, or the other way around. Well this funny virus stayed in my throat for the entire duration, never did I get a runny/stuffy nose, or anything up in my head.

Unfortunately what this virus did do is zap my voice. From about January 13-January 16, about 4 days, I had virtually no voice. I couldn’t project, I couldn’t be heard in noisy environments, and every one of those days I woke up with no voice at all. So it really did a number on my voice. I actually thought it may have been laryngitis but since I didn’t end up going to a doctor, I’ll never really know.

But it did go away. Finally.

Now I’m left with a bit of a weaker voice than I started with on January 8. Whereas my voice was around 70-75% back at that point in time, it’s now only 65-70% and I’m left wondering if this is as good as it gets. That virus really complicated matters because if my voice doesn’t improve any more, or if I have a shorter benefit period, I won’t know if it’s because of the virus or because of the lower dosage of Botox.

I’ll have to keep updating this blog and see how it goes. The good news is, I have had very little side effects. Barely any choking on liquids, and no difficulty swallowing at all.

Here below is my voice sample taken today!

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Quick update on my voice (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on December 23, 2013

Here is my voice sample from a few days ago:

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And here is my voice sample from today:

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You can see that my voice is significantly weaker than in my last post.

Also, I have had a few isolated incidents of choking on liquids, but not as severe as I’ve had in the past. Overall, the lower dosage seems to be doing what I expected so far. Now we’ll see how long the breathy period lasts, and most importantly, how long the good voice period lasts.

I’ll have more updates soon, gotta get some things done for Christmas so that’s all for now!

December 17 update – Post Botox (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on December 17, 2013

Lots of updates since my last post.

November 25


I was scheduled for my next Botox shot on November 25. Actually, let me back up just a minute. My last shot was back on May 20 and it was for a dosage of 1.5 bilaterally. This was a reduction from the previous times, which were 2.0. So my results from the lower 1.5 dosage were that I never reached what I consider an “excellent” voice (like I did with the 2.0 dosage)…but I did get to a “good” voice that has lasted just as long as the 2.0 dosage. November 25 would have been over 6 months since the previous shot at the 1.5 dosage, so I can’t complain about the results.

For some reason, the period of time I had a weak voice was LONGER even though I had a smaller dosage. It lasted about 4 weeks. You can hear a voice sample on a previous post that was 3 weeks out, if you click here. But I did not have much of the swallowing difficulty so that part was good.

Ok now back to November 25, I went in for the appointment and went through the normal pre-shot ritual with the doctor – he asked me questions pertaining to how my experience was with the latest shot. “How would you rate your voice at its peak?” and “What kind of side effects have you had?” and “When did you reach baseline?” That last question always makes me wonder how long I could really go. Because I have NEVER reached baseline since I started receiving the Botox injections. I can still function with the voice I have, even 6-7 months out. I hope I’m one of the people that can continue to stretch out my benefit period longer & longer…I’ve heard of that happening and if that’s the case, maybe I can get it to 12 months or longer between shots. We will see.

So after the doctor asked these questions, we decided to try the 1.5 dosage again. My first thought was to go down another notch, with the thinking that the “weak voice” period would be reduced. However after a discussion, the decision was made to stick with the 1.5 again to see if the same thing happens, or if my experience was just a “blip” on the screen. That sounded reasonable to me. Just as they were about to start the procedure, I mentioned that I was dealing with a cold and suddenly the doctor stopped in his tracks and said that in his opinion, we should wait until next month. I had heard a cold can effect the treatment and this seemed to confirm it. So I walked out and we re-set the appointment for December 16.

December 16

I did finally go through with the appointment yesterday, December 16. That marked nearly 7 months since my May 20 shot and my voice was still usable and not too bad at that point.

Below is a voice sample from December 9, you can hear how it sounds and you will see what I mean about my voice still being usable and pretty good:

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The conversation in the doctor’s office yesterday December 16 was pretty similar, he went over the questions again and of course there was no change in the answers…but due to the fact that my voice was still the same and we were even FARTHER out than last month, he agreed that maybe it’s a good idea to reduce the dosage to 1.25 this time and see what happens. Really it’s all trial and error until we find the right dosage for me, everybody is different. What we’re trying to find is a “sweet spot”, a dosage that allows for a good to excellent voice, for as long as possible, with as little side effects as possible. If we can achieve that, we’re happy. I would gladly give up the “excellent” range for my voice and trade that for a “good” voice for a long time with no side effects.

So that’s what we’re striving for. For today, December 17, I recorded another voice sample. It sounds pretty similar to the last one. We’ll see how this one goes, as I continue to update this blog.

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Voice fading a bit (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on September 27, 2013

I haven’t had an update in awhile, there hasn’t been any dramatic changes in my voice but rather a gradual weakening trend. Below is a voice sample from today, you can hear a little bit more weakening.

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Link to audio if the above audio player doesn’t work.

It’s especially noticeable when I talk a lot. If you recall from the last post, I lost my job towards the end of July and have struggled to find a replacement job since then. I did have a job for 2 weeks where I was constantly on the phone and I noticed my voice tended to wear out after longer phone calls. I have also experienced the return of my stress headaches, from the muscle strain in my neck. I sure didn’t miss that. But it’s usually a sign for me to go get my next Botox injection so that will probably be coming up next month in October. I could MAYBE stretch it out another month into November but that would be pushing it. We’ll see.

My bigger concern is, if I do get another job I will have to get the shot soon after starting…and how that will affect my employment status. Will I lose my job if I can’t speak above a whisper for 2 weeks? After all, I’ll be in my first 90 days of employment and most employers can let you go for no cause within that first 90 days. Also I have been trying to find a job that doesn’t involve talking as much…which is tough to do. Actually, it’s not hard to find those types of jobs but the pay is near minimum wage and that’s not going to help much.

That’s about all for this update, I will surely have more to come soon as I figure out my next Botox date, along with my job search.

July update – Jobless (voice samples with audio)

Posted by Rob H on July 26, 2013

So as you can see from the title, I am now jobless! After working for a large real estate title company (Old Republic) for over 5 years, suddenly it’s over. Their business is massively down due to the slowdown in refinancing but I never expected to be out this soon. I did know the writing was on the wall and they did a massive layoff just last month which I was safe from…but this 2nd round got me.

I was a supervisor and was the most senior supervisor there…which leads me to believe I was a victim of “making too much money”…even though I didn’t make that much in reality. The other possibility is that my boss didn’t care for me. My wife has told me she thinks he is threatened by me as I constantly give good feedback to not only him but other supervisors, as well as lower-level workers. I never did trust my boss, always felt uneasy and now my instincts are confirmed. Any good company knows that they need to keep their good employees and if there are layoffs, they should find other positions for those employees. Instead, this company (specifically this boss) cuts back based purely on numbers with no regard to the actual makeup/skill level of the remaining employees. I felt this way during the last layoff and I certainly feel that way now that I am a part of it. I already received countless phone calls, texts, emails, etc telling me they couldn’t believe the company wouldn’t reassign me to another department, at least.

So that’s all for my venting. It’s still fresh so I could go on & on & on but I won’t. I am now strategizing about my next chapter and you never know, this could be the best thing that ever happened to me. I am approaching it that way.

As for my voice, of course this complicates things. I’m at a point where the Botox effects are starting to fade a little bit. I have started experiencing more headaches and muscle strain in my neck area. For job interviews, I should be fine (although I haven’t been on an interview in over 5 years!). I have interviewed many candidates in my former position but have not been the actual interviewee in a long time. So I am hoping my voice holds out for awhile longer. Of course, there’s the thought in the back of my mind, if I get hired by somebody then have to go get a Botox injection within the first month of employment (a probable scenario)…I’ll have to go through the entire explaining process again to a new group of people. Also I will worry that it will affect my ability to perform my job. Of course, these are the fears of anybody that has spasmodic dysphonia or muscle tension dysphonia.

So I did record a couple voice samples since my last blog post. Take a listen below.

This is from July 14:

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July 14

This is from today, July 26:

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July 26

It doesn’t sound too bad (yet) and I am hoping the Botox effects wear off super slow because as you can see, I have a lot of stress back in my life and dealing with a bad voice is not something I want to add to it.

On a brighter note, I have cranked up some side real estate investing and should be making a little extra money soon. Nothing huge but I’m hoping it’s the start of something huge. We will see.

Still uncertain – nearly 3 weeks post-Botox (with audio)

Posted by Rob H on June 10, 2013

On my last post, I mentioned that I had a nasty cold that was somewhat concealing my true voice…normally when I have a cold, my voice is much lower and this was a really bad cold…my voice was in a lower range for a good 5 or 6 days. Just yesterday and today, I finally started noticing my lower voice going away as my cold finally began to subside.

As the lower voice went away, however, I started to get more of the Botox-sounding voice back. So apparently, the post-Botox side effects of a weaker voice is still hanging around. Tomorrow will mark the 3-week mark since the injection and I was really expecting my voice to be normal by now. Especially considering the fact that I had a lower dosage this time, I thought it would mean my “regular” voice should come back sooner. Not so, I guess.

Below is a voice sample from a few days ago, Wed June 4…I still had my cold during this recording, so my voice is working pretty well and you can hear me speculate whether it’s the Botox or the cold that is causing the good voice.

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…and below is another voice sample from yesterday, June 8. My cold on this day was going away at this point and you can hear my voice is in & out quite a bit.

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**Edit: If the audio isn’t loading properly, click on the link here to hear the recording.

I don’t have a recording for today, but it’s similar to yesterday’s recording. In & out quite a bit, no consistency in my voice.

I have heard from others who have taken Botox shots for SD, that the doctors don’t like to give Botox shots while you’re under the influence of a cold or flu. The reasoning I have heard is that the Botox MAY not be as effective. I don’t know why, but I have heard this more than once. So I don’t know if my cold has short-circuited my latest Botox shot but only time will tell.

I’ll have more updates soon, hopefully I’ll be able to post an update that my voice is back to normal very soon!